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Billie Eilish's story originally appeared in i-D's The In Real Life outcome, no. 364, Autumn 2021. Order your copy here.

In the weeks leading upwardly to the release of Billie Eilish's second, hugely anticipated record Happier Than E'er, the subversive pop artist found herself speaking to a similarly game changing artist: Stormzy. The duo, separated by the Atlantic and and so some, may exist an unlikely pairing to those non in the know, but they've been acquaintances and mutual admirers of each other's work for some fourth dimension now.

There is a prune on the net from Feb 2020'due south Brit Awards, in which Stormzy gatecrashes a cherry-red rug interview of Billie's, both politely and out of love. He's dumbfounded, and excited to run into her: "You are the fucking greatest!" he says, dressed in a white turtleneck, potable in mitt. "Every fourth dimension I listen to a new song of yours I go on AZ Lyrics and read it. Brilliant pen! Bright pen!" They embrace, Billie's 5'3" dwarfed by his half-dozen'4", and every bit he scurries off and apologises, Billie too, looks shook.

There is a throughline hither, and it's partly to exercise with Billie'southward restless creative desire to make music that sounds everything and cypher like what may be expected of her. She's a Gen Z teenage girl, plagued by the same pangs of anxiety that shape that demographic'due south daily being, but exacerbated by the fact that 90 meg others are watching her go through information technology, and that'southward on Instagram alone.

But young women in music are also the kind unremarkably consumed by record labels, made malleable and sexed upward without permission, and forced to brand the kind of art label heads (usually men) call up audiences want, rather than what the artist themself is interested in. Billie, however, built a loyal blueprint from her sleeping accommodation, ane that may have helped change the manufacture for the better. Thanks to her, the star-making car is questioning its purpose.

Two-and-a-half years later on the release of her debut album, When We All Autumn Comatose, Where Do Nosotros Get? her fame is still singular and stratospheric. She has seven Grammy awards, two albums, and two global loonshit tours that sold out in seconds under her chugalug, although 1 was cutting brusk past a pandemic.

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We learned of Happier Than Ever back in March, in the way most popular stars should debut an era but seldom do anymore. 10 days after she won her latest 2 Grammys, she posted a photo on Instagram of her new pilus: shock-peroxide blonde; the kind of hairdo gossip rags hold multiple meetings about in an effort to come up with new terms to depict it and contextualise it.

It's funny how much she represents the antithesis of pop star perception: having total command over prototype and sound, knowing she possesses the power to send whole industries into a tailspin. That, really, is the sign of a truthful star.

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The music that has since followed it – alluding to everything from body image to pornography to the trialling nature of beingness famous and property downward a relationship – is equally diaristic as her previous work. That besides, binds Billie and Stormzy together. They share that endless pursuit of frankness, are powerful and talented plenty to practice every bit they please.

They exist in the rare space that sees immense fame crossover with artistic genius. In a cultural landscape that usually separates the two, seldom assuasive them to coexist, they are anomalies: artists making the greatest work of their career to date — the kind nosotros'll look back on even more favourably in years to come – who also have to grapple with tabloid fuckery. Alas, they're at a stage now where ubiquity isn't everything. The fact that their names are everywhere is but a testament to the hard grind they've already put in.

And then what meliorate pairing to unpack Billie's new album than 2 people who know their art, industries and aggressors inside out? This is what happened when Billie Eilish met Stormzy.

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Stormzy: Hey Billie! Can y'all hear me?

 Billie: I can hear ya.

Stormzy: How are you doing?

Billie: I'thousand proficient.

Stormzy: Tin you recollect how we first met? I retrieve it was the 2019 Brit Awards…

Billie: It was 2020, dude.

Stormzy: Was it? Oh aye. You'd but finished performing "No Fourth dimension To Die". It was the first time yous'd performed it. You were waiting past the stage to give Dave his award for Best Album. You were surrounded by security. I'd probably had a couple to beverage so I was feeling a chip too confident and I asked to get a picture with you, and you were kind enough to let me. Then I saw y'all backstage after, and said hello again. There's this video of information technology and I watched information technology back the other day, I must've been overwhelming.

Billie: It was very beautiful! You lot ran over and started singing my vocal to me. It was a beautiful moment. It was really really special because yous actually came over and wanted to talk about the music, you dissected shit. You knew the lyrics, knew the melodies, it was and so specific, you honed in on my songs. It was non overwhelming, it was amazing. It felt similar you gave a shit and weren't just bullshitting me. It made me feel good! It was a very pleasant surprise.

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Stormzy: That's the style I am. There's a calibre of musicians and artists who I tin can't exist simulated around. You, Frank Sea, Jay-Z, Beyoncé… If I see them I accept to accept that moment! I feel like, without going on a long one, as artists what nosotros practise is so… people digest information technology so rapidly, there's ever a new vocaliser and new music is always coming out and the public doesn't always get the time to understand how bang-up something is. Every fourth dimension I feel that way well-nigh an artist I experience like if I see them I accept to let them know that. I'm happy y'all received that.

Billie: Thank y'all! There are some people who don't want compliments and I don't really understand that. I desire to hear how people feel near my music and how it'southward affected them. Information technology's and then selfless and very raw to do that because people have this weird pride about saying how a piece of art has made them feel because they think information technology makes them vulnerable. I love that you don't care well-nigh that, that you can be a fan, because we're all fans. I'm a huge fan of so many artists.

Stormzy: I want to inquire you something and so, Billie, considering I've seen how you work. Has Covid been an ideal state of affairs for you because information technology'southward you lot and Finneas at dwelling house making music? Or has being forced to stay dwelling changed things?

Billie: We made my first album in our childhood bedrooms. My brother's room is tiny, there's non that much equipment and we didn't have a song booth or soundproofing, and that'southward how we made everything up until working on Happier Than Ever. And for that record my blood brother built this home studio in the basement of the business firm, so nosotros've been recording down there. It's a footstep up because information technology'due south actually a studio fifty-fifty though it's still too at dwelling. Only the problem was always that it was home. It was hard to switch from beingness at dwelling house and feeling lazy to trying to work and be creative. But I also detest proper recording studios. They are dark and sad and the days get by and time goes by. Studios make me depressed. I want to know how you are feeling nearly the return of shows – the return of touring and playing in forepart of crowds once more and everything?

Stormzy: I really miss playing alive. I can't await for the moment when I showtime hit the phase again because that'southward going to exist something that no artists before u.s. take e'er experienced. Of people being locked away for a year and a one-half and finally experiencing alive music again. I don't know what it's like in America, just here in Europe, I don't recall it'll be this year. Every time I get excited to perform I feel like corona comes dorsum and pops the bubble, so I'k trying to contain my excitement a bit. But you've got a world bout booked! How are you feeling?

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Billie: I'thousand really excited, merely the whole last year has felt like nosotros've been waiting to get dorsum to normal. I'm keeping the excitement in as much equally I can until it is 100% actually going to happen. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. That first big show back, being dorsum on phase, it's going to be astonishing. I'yard going to explode on stage.

Stormzy: I feel very honoured to take been sent the tape and to take heard it. And for anyone reading this, an album by someone like Billie Eilish isn't only getting sent out to anyone earlier information technology gets released! So I was privileged to hear it. It'due south always very interesting listening to an album when you lot are an artist yourself, because there's what you understand it as and there's the truth and perspective of the artist as well. I hate to do this because I hate getting asked this, and an album is so many different things, so many different layers, that trying to sum it upwardly does it an injustice, but if y'all could endeavour: what practice y'all hope this album tells people?

Billie: Happier Than Ever is kind of a lot of things. The title track was originally a song called "Away From Me". It was the commencement matter we did. We've been writing the anthology since summer 2019 and this was the simply thing from the beginning that we worked on that stuck. On the first album, all of those songs were three or four years old by the time they were recorded, but these were all new songs. "Happier Than Ever", the song, is the oldest one. Information technology was written first in summertime 2019 then the next summer we finished it. And I knew from the first that information technology was a really important song for me. When you're making an album, at that place'due south always a moment when it clicks in your head and you realise where information technology's meant to go, what it'south meant to feel similar, what it'southward going to say. You have all these songs and you're trying to work out the lodge of them and how they work together and how they can coexist. And Happier Than Ever just felt like such a perfect encapsulation of the last few years of my life. It has then many meanings, information technology's a bit sarcastic only it'due south also the truth, and it doesn't mean happier than you're always going to be, or happier than anyone else, information technology simply ways happier than before. It means doing ameliorate. And I call back that's my life the final few years. I'thousand growing up, changing, getting amend every bit a person, getting better mentally and creatively. It seemed perfect.

Stormzy: I felt the sarcasm of it, but also when I hear information technology I believe you are happier than ever so there's too a sweetness irony to it. It translates.

Billie: How is it for you when yous're making an album?

Stormzy: I recall it's quite similar. That moment hits where you lot know exactly what you desire to say and how you are going to say it. With that title rails – to talk virtually alive shows again apace – that sounds like the large live show moment.

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Billie: Exercise you think nigh how your music is going to sound live when yous're making it?

Stormzy: That's a funny question, because I've been making my third album for the last yr and a half, and I had a meeting with my team about a festival evidence in August, and they wanted to know what new music I want to perform. I realised that I've been away from performing for then long that I hadn't considered performing at all when I've been making the album. There's nothing about this album where I was thinking or worried almost performing it live. I used to! Simply this time I've simply been dedicated to making something that is so honest, that is all of my truth. I call back all we can do as artists is tell our truth. All it can exist is what'south within me. I've taken the pressure off myself and allowed myself to say how I experience.

Billie: Absolutely! What does success and failure mean to you?

Stormzy: How I ascertain success has changed. When you're younger it's easier. It's cars, coin. Now it's so different. My idea of success is having time. Do you know what I mean? Having time to make music. Having time to spend with my family, to arctic with my bredren. Time to go on vacation, see new places. A lot of people call up success is something y'all have to sacrifice time for, that success is being busy and having no time to see any ane or practise anything, just I want to spend fourth dimension with my nephews, with my mum. I want to take a week to relax.

Billie: Time is priceless. It's underrated and under appreciated. I recall success, for me, is joy. I've learned recently that if y'all do these things considering they're a cool thought, they pay a lot of money, or they're gonna get you this big campaign, just they brand y'all miserable? That's not success. It'southward unlike if you really care virtually something and the procedure is miserable but information technology makes you happy after the fact. Then that's valid, and worth information technology. But why make yourself miserable? Success is internal. Information technology has nix to exercise with anyone only yourself. Joy and dear for yourself.

Stormzy: What about failure?

Billie: I've felt like a failure a lot in my life. And information technology's really like shooting fish in a barrel to feel like a failure when so many people are looking at you and telling you you are one. Information technology tin can exist hard non to believe them. I grew up with the internet. I use social media for the same reasons everyone else does, and you come across these videos proverb you're ugly and you suck and you lot're terrible and that makes me experience similar a failure. At that place are other things too, more concrete things, similar when I disappoint myself, when I don't feel how I said I was going to feel, or practise the things I said to myself I was going to practise… just failure is an interesting matter because, like success, information technology's really only in your caput. Y'all tin literally physically fail at something but it can still be a success, and vice versa. Success and failure are all simply virtually your perspective.

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Stormzy: You mentioned online life and growing up with the net. How exercise yous deal with that? I'1000 a strong believer that social media, peculiarly for someone in your position, can manipulate your psyche and warp your mind. How do you bargain with people always having an opinion on y'all?

Billie: It's tough and I'chiliad withal figuring it out. I like the cyberspace. I similar memes and shit like that. Just no matter what I practise, I can't avoid myself. I'chiliad everywhere. I feel sad for all the people who hate me considering they can't avoid me either.

Simply I don't want to read about Billie Eilish doing this or that from someone who doesn't know shit about me. Like, please. I desire to brand music. I get annoyed well-nigh it. Merely information technology'south funny. Why practice people need to take an stance near everything I exercise or say or wear or wait like and fucking feel. I just want to make music. I'k just a random girl who likes to sing. It's not that deep. Just listen to the music and shut the fuck upward almost my life.

Stormzy: I'm not on social media anymore. I did it in an undramatic way but I came off information technology. Information technology felt very necessary to come up off it. And I think whatever goes on social media, never believe it every bit beingness annihilation more than some shit on the internet, some bad free energy. Y'all take to remind yourself that y'all're fucking Billie Eilish, you know what I mean? You lot're lit. That's the reality of being yous and you have to believe in the reality of who you are. It's not easy to do that with social media. When I was still on social media I'd have to remind myself that what I was seeing wasn't true, that I was a Chiliad.

Billie: Exercise you feel like you have a responsibility to your fans to share? I experience conflicted most it. I don't ever want to tell the world intimate details well-nigh my life, I don't really desire people to know everything about me, but at the same time I want people to be able to feel seen and heard if they've experienced the same things I take. I want to be helpful. I want people to realise that information technology'south OK, that everyone goes through this. You lot can speak for people who don't have a vocalisation. But too, information technology's conflicting, considering sometimes you also don't desire to talk about it. It's a tough responsibility considering it's likewise not my responsibility. I don't owe anyone anything.

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Stormzy: At the beginning of my career I had all this responsibleness that I'd never had before, and I idea, alright I'll accept this, I can be a office model. Then as time went on I realised it was too much. Information technology was as well much pressure and too much responsibility and there's way better role models than me out there if you need a office model. At that place's times when I really reject being a role model. I go road rage – this is a good instance actually. Someone might cut me up on the road and I'grand one-half out the window of the motorcar shouting at another driver, and in that moment I'm non a role model. What if a mum drives past, and is like… Just I am also gear up, always, to practise good by my people. I practise want to put positive things out at that place. There's loads of things that me and my team practice to help people. We're trying to be pillars of the community just it's tough to navigate that considering nosotros are only man. As artists we get elevated to these positions, simply everyone is human. Everyone you lot wait up to and anyone who has ever been looked upwardly to is homo. They have flaws, they brand mistakes, they have bad days. I'grand a human and I practice good things and I can too exist a piece of shit. And that's the truth. And so if you always run across me hanging out my motorcar shouting at someone else to get out their automobile and fight me – hold me accountable!

Billie: I think that's what a role model needs to be. It should be realistic. The problem is when people have unattainable office models, or dream of an unattainable life, or an unattainable face and an unattainable trunk, and that's not healthy, for kids especially. Nosotros're all real people. I think when people come across celebrities on the internet, or social media, they don't see them as existent people or man beings – and I catch myself doing this too – they see them equally characters. When really nosotros're all simply random people in our cars trying to keep information technology together.

Stormzy: Even the term "giving back" I kinda hate, because it feels similar you're on a pedestal and you're giving back because you're meliorate than people. So I say I'm but trying to spread honey and positivity. I don't even want to reel off the good things we're doing… We've got a platform, we've got resource, and in whatsoever way nosotros can spread that love and positivity we do. I think the thing I'm nigh proud of is Merky Books, and we publish people who might not have been picked upwardly past the literary mainstream otherwise… Simply it's really just an extension of myself and my team and our dear. I don't know if it's a recent thing or if it has e'er been in that location, but at that place is definitely a pressure level now for artists to exist activists. Simply can people not just want to sing or rap or dance or play football game if they want to? Why must they accept the burden of existence an activist likewise?

Billie: It's conflicting though, considering you recollect about people who don't accept any fashion to be heard at all, and you think nearly them, and yous think nearly information technology from their perspective and they see people in the limelight and y'all tin can imagine how antsy they feel nearly others who accept the opportunity. Information technology'southward tough because it'due south a little unfair that everyone in the limelight is expected to be an activist and to modify the earth because nosotros can't! We can say stuff and people can listen and we have a platform only we tin only do so much. That's conflicting. I experience for the people who have such strong determination to change the earth but aren't afforded the same privileges equally me. Just then of course artists should be allowed to simply make fine art. I don't want to be cocky but I feel like I have washed, or at least I've tried, to spread, equally you say, dear and positivity, and I've gone out of my fashion to use my platform to the best of my ability, and often I don't call up anyone gives a shit. You lot try to aid and spread a bulletin but someone'southward still going to call you a fat moo-cow in the comments. Can yous remember what made y'all want to become an artist?

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Stormzy: I was ever singing, always MCing, ever rapping. I don't know if I have the time to explicate crud to you properly correct now, simply I was doing that from, like, 11 years old, then I started making songs or merely rapping on beats actually – not even songs. If you went back in time and said to xiv-twelvemonth-sometime me that you're going to become a musician, I wouldn't have believed you. I couldn't play anything, I had no noesis. All I had was a love of music. And it developed from my dear of music. Information technology was slow and gradual. Dissimilar to you correct, equally you've been in the studio forever.

Billie: I loved singing, besides. Since I was a trivial kid I was singing all day. My parents were like, "Shuutttt uppppp!" But still to this mean solar day I don't actually recollect of myself every bit a vocalizer. I don't know why. Peradventure it'south impostor syndrome? When I was a kid my favourite thing to do was sing, but I'd never have told you that. I thought of all the other kids who were singing as singers, simply never myself. I was just like, I like to sing! It's not like a matter. It'due south merely something I beloved to do. My mom wrote songs, and she taught me and my brother to write songs, and we'd write by ourselves, so 1 day we just started writing songs together. That was when I was 13, and that's when we did "Ocean Optics". Nosotros put it on SoundCloud. I wasn't trying to be an artist. It was a fun thing me and my brother did, and it just grew and grew and grew… And so I began, more and more than, to feel more like me. I experience more like myself now than I always did before. I never thought anyone would give two shits.

Stormzy: You were 13 when you did "Ocean Optics"?

Billie: Yeah.

Stormzy: That's ridiculous.

Billie: It's weird now looking dorsum at it. It gives me the shivers. I felt and so old, then grown up, when we did "Ocean Optics". And I was not. Oh my god.

Stormzy: I feel like your writing, even then, was then seasoned. It's really mind blowing. Can we talk most the new album? It's amazing. I simply want to say that. The second album is such a difficult task. Y'all're divide between sticking to what you lot know and venturing out and you lot're figuring information technology all out. Because if the earth loves you lot for the first album it makes it difficult to know how to approach a second album. But listening to this album it doesn't feel like that. When I listen to my second album I can hear the growing pains in it, I tin hear the stuff I was trying to figure out that I hadn't quite figured out. Just your album – fuck difficult 2nd album syndrome. Yous've smashed it out the park. This question sounds bait, but every bit a fan, as a musician, how did you make this album? What'southward the nitty-gritty?

Billie: You're too sweet! The process was good. When I was 15 and 16 and writing the terminal album, I was crazy. I don't call back information technology was a very fun age. In fact, it was a terrible age. And so this anthology just came from such a perfect spot for me, emotionally and mentally. And physically too, actually. Information technology all felt correct. We started making this album ages ago, earlier anyone from the label was thinking about information technology. There was no pressure, no people telling us to do this or that. We were just inspired. We put aside time for ourselves to make music and we started to make the anthology and it almost merely made itself. Information technology wasn't easy just it almost felt easy because I honey it and all the songs on it. Information technology's virtually like I don't care if people detest these songs, considering I love them and so much. As it gets closer and closer to coming out, I almost don't want it to exist released. I feel sad because this anthology is my baby and people almost don't deserve information technology, considering I dear it and then much. I desire it to just be mine. It'southward like my hole-and-corner.

I'grand trying to let it go, to let people love it or not honey it.

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Stormzy: I'd besides love to know what your favourite song is.

Billie: I think it changes all the time. For a while it was "Lost Crusade"… so it was "Oxytocin"… then "Male person Fantasy"… I love "Getting Older"… I love "Your Power"… I could speak nigh every single song in detail because they all feel so important to me.

Stormzy: I wanted to talk about "Male Fantasy". I beloved that song. Could y'all interruption down that song for me? Earlier I tell y'all my perspective I desire to hear yours.

Billie: The other day I was talking about how stupid and unrealistic porn is so much of the fourth dimension. How unrealistic, misogynistic and totally ridiculous the world of porn is. I decided that information technology was actually a really good thought for a song to talk honestly about pornography because it's an uncomfortable affair to talk about. Pornography tin can make you feel violated and good at the same fourth dimension and this conversation turned into the song. It was hard to write because we wanted information technology to be as revealing as possible. It's difficult to be vulnerable and honest and open nigh my life right now. I find information technology much easier to write about my by and how I used to feel and to find a new perspective on something that happened to me, to take myself out of a state of affairs. I don't unremarkably write virtually what I'm going through in the moment considering it's hard to process it. Then this was as well about saying how I felt. It was hard and satisfying and revealing and exposing and too incredibly cathartic besides.

Stormzy: Information technology'southward a song I've listened to a lot. When I listen to any music I need to have the lyrics also; to come across what you lot're saying. You lot are always saying something of import. You have a really interesting perspective on things that I never considered before. If I had to sum upward the album, I think my takeaway from information technology would be that you take an ability to exist classic and timeless and also to be incredibly forward thinking also.

Billie: It is really something that I strive for, that versatility. The biggest insult is to make the same song over and over. I actually try to accept such a broad range. I want to be an album artist, not a singles artist. I don't think there are a lot of album artists, only I dearest albums that sound similar a complete piece of work. An album is the opportunity for a musician to make the largest scale of artwork they tin can – not just a agglomeration of songs in a playlist.  An album is a cute thing. And lyrics are an important part of that. They practise feel nether appreciated sometimes, or that people don't try equally hard. When a song has practiced lyrics, I really capeesh it.

Stormzy: That all translates into your art, trust me. Everything you've only said, I hear it in your music. Your attending to particular, your lyrics… I've got to say this, merely in today's climate when an artist is popular that doesn't necessarily mean an creative person is great or pushing things forward… but you can feel your dedication to the art in this album.

I detect it inspiring. I'm ever trying to be more dedicated to my artwork. And I think anyone who wants to be a musician should be inspired by you lot. It doesn't feel similar you have sacrificed a role of yourself to get successful. You've done it on your own terms. I promise you I listened to this album and I was blown away. I was expecting you to put upward some defence and stay in your comfort zone but you're doing whatsoever the fuck you lot want.

The attention to item across the album… I'm excited for yous! It's astonishing. I know how it goes, you make some music and y'all release it and you think some people miss something about information technology, or people don't pick up the line or the melody you dear… And then I wanted to talk about the song "Everybody Dies", because I can hear every breath in between takes, and usually the engineer would chop the breaths out but you left them in…

Billie: Oh my god, I honey you for noticing that! Information technology's a classic thing to have that out. There's so many things that are so standardised in making music. There'southward the standard mode of editing vocals, the standard patch for the synth or the piano, and my brother, who is a producer and works with other artists now, I say to him, "I know this is the way you're supposed to do it, just tin nosotros exit the natural sounds in? The sounds of my singing, or me moving when I'chiliad singing, me animate, let's go out the audio of the room in in that location." My brother is a genius at this. He'southward the same as me. I retrieve you don't accept to practise something the way it's e'er been done. Exercise whatever yous want. We make it how nosotros feel information technology.

Stormzy: There's and so much range in the fashion you apply your voice across the album.

Billie: I think that's partly also because my vox has changed and so drastically since I started making music. I just take more range now. Going through puberty, you don't have a lot of range and I was going through puberty when I was making my beginning album. My vocalism hadn't fully matured yet. I heed to my older music now and my vox is completely different on this tape to how it was then. I can sing in ways that I used to not be able to before; I tin can hitting notes I couldn't hit before, I tin can sing more quietly now, I can sing with my chest at present – I take these options. When I was younger and making music, I didn't. My vocalism was my babe voice and I worked with what I had, and then I wanted to do all the things that were possible for me to practise with this album.

Stormzy: Thank you lot Billie. And thanking you for having this chat. Thank y'all for letting me hear the album earlier everyone else. I experience honoured and privileged, considering I know that'southward your baby. Honestly, equally an artist, I know what it takes to do what nosotros do: the detail, the attempt, the bravery, the decisions. When someone makes an album like this, I'm in awe of information technology. I'm excited to run into what you practice with your third album and quaternary album. You are the true definition of an creative person. You say what you want and do what y'all want and express yourself how you want. You lot're a testament and an inspiration and you're a fucking Chiliad.

Billie: Yous're the all-time, I dear y'all dearly. I'm going to send you lot some flowers and a cake.

Stormzy: Side by side time y'all're in London allow's link up.

Billie: Thank yous. I've got love in my middle. It's been a dream.

Credits

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Photography Glen Luchford
Fashion Alastair McKimm

Hair Benjamin Mohapi for The Benjamin Salon.
Make-upward Rob Ramsey at A Frame Agency using BITE BEAUTY.
Ready pattern Gideon Pointe.
Lighting managing director Jack Webb.
Styling assistance Madison Matusich and Milton Dixon Three.
Art coordinator Jenn Lee. Leadman Brad Zoellick.
Producer Gabe Hill. Production manager Suzy Kang.
Production coordinator Dani Fernandez.
Production assist Noah Ponte and Jake Torres.
Special thanks Amanda Merten.
Casting director Samuel Ellis Scheinman for DMCASTING.

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